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- ABC News
- June 13, 2022
What you missed in Monday's Jan. 6 hearing
Monday focused on how Donald Trump pushed the "big lie" -- but was told he lost.
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Barr also mentioned -- and laughed at -- the movie \"2,000 Mules,\" a conspiracy-laden film by conservative activist Dinesh D'Souza that Trump has encouraged supporters to watch.
\"I felt that before the election, it was possible to talk sense to the president. And while you sometimes had to engage in, you know, a big wrestling match with him, that it was possible to keep things on track. But I felt that after the election he didn't seem to be listening,\" Barr told the committee. \"And I didn't think it was -- you know -- that I was inclined not to stay around if he wasn't listening to advice from me or the Cabinet secretaries.\"
Committee establishes 'Team Normal' versus Team Rudy
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., helping guide Monday's hearing for the committee, outlined two competing camps in the Trump team in the days and weeks following the 2020 presidential race.
Lofgren said one side was helmed by Stepien, who was then Trump's campaign manager, and the other was organized around Giuliani, a former New York City mayor, longtime Trump confidant and one of his personal attorneys.
In his pretaped testimony, Stepien told the committee that Trump's growing unhappiness after Election Day \"paved the way\" for Giuliani, attorney Sidney Powell and others to become more influential. Giuliani and Powell took the lead in spreading false claims about fraud and litigating the issue in court.
\"We called them my team and Rudy's team,\" Stepien said. \"I didn't mind being categorized as 'Team Normal' as reporters started to do at that point in time.\"
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Stepien added that he didn't think what was happening after the election was \"honest or professional,\" so he stepped away. Herschmann, the former Trump White House lawyer, described the arguments being made by the Giuliani camp as \"nuts.\"
Stepien and Jason Miller, another top campaign adviser, both testified that Giuliani was the one pressuring Trump to claim victory on election night, when the vote tally was nowhere near complete.
Miller claimed Giuliani was \"definitely intoxicated\" when he made that suggestion.
$250 million fundraised off fraudulent claims of fraud
The committee also outlined, according to their investigation, how little of the $250 million raised by Trump for his court battles after the 2020 race actually went to his post-election defense, with Lofgren calling the \"big lie\" a \"big rip-off.\"
\"The Trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in the courts. But the Trump campaign didn't use the money for that,\" Lofgren said in her opening statement.
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A senior investigative counsel to the committee, Amanda Wick, said in a video played at the end of Monday's hearing that the committee found the \"Official Election Defense Trump\" to which Trump repeatedly asked people to contribute money did not, in fact, exist. The committee played excerpts of testimony from two Trump campaign officials appearing to confirm this.
Wick said the campaign sent millions of emails asking supporters to donate, sometimes as many as 25 emails per day.
\"As the select committee has demonstrated, the Trump campaign knew these claims of voter fraud were false yet they continued to barrage small-dollar donors with emails,\" Wick said.
When asked if it was \"fair\" to say the fund was another \"marketing tactic,\" former Trump campaign digital director Gary Colby said \"yes.\"
Hundreds of millions of dollars went into Save America, Trump's political action committee formed after the 2020 election. The group has given money to Meadows' charitable foundation, the American First Policy institute, Trump hotel properties and more, according to the Jan. 6 committee.
Cheney previews next hearing
The panel will publicly reconvene on Wednesday at 10 a.m. ET to hold its third televised hearing this month.
While the committee focused Monday on Trump's actions on Election Day and immediately after, Cheney said the coming days would pan out to his broader planning for Jan. 6.
That will include Trump's plan to \"corrupt\" the Department of Justice, she said, as well as his conversations with attorney John Eastman \"to pressure the vice president, state legislatures, state officials and others to overturn the election.\"
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Cheney then aired a clip teasing a conversation that Herschmann, the White House lawyer at the time, said he had with Eastman.
\"I said to him, 'Are you out of your f------ mind? I said I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on: orderly transition,\" Herschmann said in the video.
ABC News' Benjamin Siegel contributed to this report.
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